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	<title>Comments on: Cultivating Conversation:  How Caitlin Flanagan has got us all thinking out loud</title>
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		<title>By: Kailyn</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cornell.edu/gblblog/2010/01/27/cultivating-conversation/comment-page-1/#comment-528</link>
		<dc:creator>Kailyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 17:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Dietitian and someone who is passionate about school gardening being used for educational purposes, I feel Flanagan is way off track when referring to this style of learning as a “cultivating failure.” Her lengthy explanation for why this is so gets her no where as she goes off on tangents about why students should be writing an essay on “The Crucible” instead of learning how to write a recipe. It leads me to believe she does not see the whole picture about all the educational opportunities school gardening has to offer. This is not about labor or an excuse for socializing with peers, this about learning, both with already established academic areas such as math and science, and about exploring new areas of learning with nature and nutrition. She must be aware that there is not only a childhood obesity epidemic on our hands as a country, but also a serious lack of understanding how fruits and vegetables are grown, why they are important and where they come from. Food is something we need to survive. How can it be said that learning about food is not an important component to a child’s up bringing.

 Reading and learning about history are clearly important, but in no way is school gardening an approach to make children &quot;semi-literate&quot; as Flanagan phrases it, or an attempt to replace history class. If anything school gardening is a way to build on math and science skills, subjects already required and important to a child’s knowledge base, while teaching them important life and social skills that are lacking significantly in schools across America. If life and social skills are not in order, how do we expect these children to face the so-called “real world?” Having your “nose in a book” will only let a child grow so much. The process of learning in a child’s life needs balance. Developing social and life skills are equally, if not more important than reading “The Crucible.” I appreciate the comment written by “anonymous” regarding the same issue about how social and life skill development seems to have vanished from schools and how this is holding kids back from growing to their highest potential.

Also, Flanagan’s approach about making the reader feel sorry for immigrants who may find it offensive and disheartening to see their children putting blood, sweat and tears into a garden, leaves me no sympathy. Though I do feel sympathy for new comers to America who are struggling to make ends meet, in no way shape or form should an educational approach to learning about fruits and vegetables growing from seed to plant, be viewed as a form of labor. School is a place for learning, not labor. Therefore, how can it be said that learning about fruits and vegetables, in a “do it yourself approach” is a form of labor? There is so much more to it than meeting a “social agenda” as Flanagan puts it. Though she does have a point when saying we are “mocking” our culture because we should already know where our food comes from and the value of healthy eating. Unfortunately, this is not the reality. It is the obligation of health providers and educators to make this change. Children today are surrounded by junk food. Whether it’s the school cafeteria, fast food restaurants, processed foods at home or the inviting television commercials encouraging sugary cereals and drinks, children are surrounded by poor environmental influences. If parents and children already had a full grasp on healthy eating, our country’s health crisis would not be as devastating as it is. Therefore, teaching this concept in schools, a place designed for learning, is crucial for these kid’s futures. And yes, math, science, history, reading and writing should still continue to be an important part of the school day. With that said though, kid’s will not be able to apply what they learned from reading “The Crucible” when they “grow up”, but they will be able to apply the healthy eating behaviors they learned in the outdoor classroom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Dietitian and someone who is passionate about school gardening being used for educational purposes, I feel Flanagan is way off track when referring to this style of learning as a “cultivating failure.” Her lengthy explanation for why this is so gets her no where as she goes off on tangents about why students should be writing an essay on “The Crucible” instead of learning how to write a recipe. It leads me to believe she does not see the whole picture about all the educational opportunities school gardening has to offer. This is not about labor or an excuse for socializing with peers, this about learning, both with already established academic areas such as math and science, and about exploring new areas of learning with nature and nutrition. She must be aware that there is not only a childhood obesity epidemic on our hands as a country, but also a serious lack of understanding how fruits and vegetables are grown, why they are important and where they come from. Food is something we need to survive. How can it be said that learning about food is not an important component to a child’s up bringing.</p>
<p> Reading and learning about history are clearly important, but in no way is school gardening an approach to make children &#8220;semi-literate&#8221; as Flanagan phrases it, or an attempt to replace history class. If anything school gardening is a way to build on math and science skills, subjects already required and important to a child’s knowledge base, while teaching them important life and social skills that are lacking significantly in schools across America. If life and social skills are not in order, how do we expect these children to face the so-called “real world?” Having your “nose in a book” will only let a child grow so much. The process of learning in a child’s life needs balance. Developing social and life skills are equally, if not more important than reading “The Crucible.” I appreciate the comment written by “anonymous” regarding the same issue about how social and life skill development seems to have vanished from schools and how this is holding kids back from growing to their highest potential.</p>
<p>Also, Flanagan’s approach about making the reader feel sorry for immigrants who may find it offensive and disheartening to see their children putting blood, sweat and tears into a garden, leaves me no sympathy. Though I do feel sympathy for new comers to America who are struggling to make ends meet, in no way shape or form should an educational approach to learning about fruits and vegetables growing from seed to plant, be viewed as a form of labor. School is a place for learning, not labor. Therefore, how can it be said that learning about fruits and vegetables, in a “do it yourself approach” is a form of labor? There is so much more to it than meeting a “social agenda” as Flanagan puts it. Though she does have a point when saying we are “mocking” our culture because we should already know where our food comes from and the value of healthy eating. Unfortunately, this is not the reality. It is the obligation of health providers and educators to make this change. Children today are surrounded by junk food. Whether it’s the school cafeteria, fast food restaurants, processed foods at home or the inviting television commercials encouraging sugary cereals and drinks, children are surrounded by poor environmental influences. If parents and children already had a full grasp on healthy eating, our country’s health crisis would not be as devastating as it is. Therefore, teaching this concept in schools, a place designed for learning, is crucial for these kid’s futures. And yes, math, science, history, reading and writing should still continue to be an important part of the school day. With that said though, kid’s will not be able to apply what they learned from reading “The Crucible” when they “grow up”, but they will be able to apply the healthy eating behaviors they learned in the outdoor classroom.</p>
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		<title>By: In Response to Caitlin Flanagan’s Article</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cornell.edu/gblblog/2010/01/27/cultivating-conversation/comment-page-1/#comment-224</link>
		<dc:creator>In Response to Caitlin Flanagan’s Article</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Nov 2010 07:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The folks at Cornell Garden-Based Learning have been collecting responses from across the nation to Mrs. Flanagan&#8217;s article. See them here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The folks at Cornell Garden-Based Learning have been collecting responses from across the nation to Mrs. Flanagan&#8217;s article. See them here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: dani</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cornell.edu/gblblog/2010/01/27/cultivating-conversation/comment-page-1/#comment-156</link>
		<dc:creator>dani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 19:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s been a volatile discussion of this continuing on my blog... I believe there was value to Ms. Flanagan&#039;s article, despite it&#039;s absurdly inflammatory nature and misplaced attack on the garden program.  If there&#039;s any way to set that aside and extract the point that I believe her final paragraph finally got to, it&#039;s that the problem isn&#039;t necessarily being solved with the gardens.  No one, not even Flanagan disputes their value.  I think she&#039;s (not tactfully) trying to incite us to think about what we really want our kids to be getting out of their school system at the end of the day.  I personally DO want my kids laughing at Shakespeare in all the right places....
http://www.danimadethis.com/Dani_Made_This/Blog/Entries/2010/3/2_BEWARE__More_ranting._But_you_should_read_this_one..html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s been a volatile discussion of this continuing on my blog&#8230; I believe there was value to Ms. Flanagan&#8217;s article, despite it&#8217;s absurdly inflammatory nature and misplaced attack on the garden program.  If there&#8217;s any way to set that aside and extract the point that I believe her final paragraph finally got to, it&#8217;s that the problem isn&#8217;t necessarily being solved with the gardens.  No one, not even Flanagan disputes their value.  I think she&#8217;s (not tactfully) trying to incite us to think about what we really want our kids to be getting out of their school system at the end of the day.  I personally DO want my kids laughing at Shakespeare in all the right places&#8230;.<br />
<a href="http://www.danimadethis.com/Dani_Made_This/Blog/Entries/2010/3/2_BEWARE__More_ranting._But_you_should_read_this_one" rel="nofollow">http://www.danimadethis.com/Dani_Made_This/Blog/Entries/2010/3/2_BEWARE__More_ranting._But_you_should_read_this_one</a>..html</p>
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		<title>By: Angela McGregor</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cornell.edu/gblblog/2010/01/27/cultivating-conversation/comment-page-1/#comment-151</link>
		<dc:creator>Angela McGregor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 21:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi John,

We have added the Life Lab staff responses as well as Kirsten Berhan&#039;s piece to our list above.  Thanks for sharing with us!

Best,
Angela</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John,</p>
<p>We have added the Life Lab staff responses as well as Kirsten Berhan&#8217;s piece to our list above.  Thanks for sharing with us!</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Angela</p>
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		<title>By: John Fisher</title>
		<link>http://blogs.cornell.edu/gblblog/2010/01/27/cultivating-conversation/comment-page-1/#comment-150</link>
		<dc:creator>John Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for gathering and posting responses to &quot;Cultivating Failure&quot;. These collective responses demonstrate how passionate we are about the value of garden-based learning. Caitlin&#039;s article has galvanized school garden supporters across the nation and spurred a bit networking. 

At Life Lab, our staff has voiced their responses to the editors of The Atlantic and offered a more positive look at school gardens. See our replies to the editors of The Atlantic and check out &quot;The Garden, A Master Teacher&quot; an essay that we requested they publish.  http://lifelabhistory.blogspot.com/2010/01/school-garden-bashing.html

John Fisher, Life Lab Science Program / UCSC CASFS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for gathering and posting responses to &#8220;Cultivating Failure&#8221;. These collective responses demonstrate how passionate we are about the value of garden-based learning. Caitlin&#8217;s article has galvanized school garden supporters across the nation and spurred a bit networking. </p>
<p>At Life Lab, our staff has voiced their responses to the editors of The Atlantic and offered a more positive look at school gardens. See our replies to the editors of The Atlantic and check out &#8220;The Garden, A Master Teacher&#8221; an essay that we requested they publish.  <a href="http://lifelabhistory.blogspot.com/2010/01/school-garden-bashing.html" rel="nofollow">http://lifelabhistory.blogspot.com/2010/01/school-garden-bashing.html</a></p>
<p>John Fisher, Life Lab Science Program / UCSC CASFS</p>
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